| #1 T_Mac (ts7-39t-44.idirect.com)[8034] |
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| I dont get what the big deal is, but woohoo! I got the first comment. Im uhh, so happy! |
| #2 MikeyMonty (spider-to044.proxy.aol.com)[8035] |
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| I think you forgot to convert your images to jpg. The working pic is jpg, but all the broken ones are pcx. I'm probably wrong, but just my two cents. |
| #3 GhOsT~LiZarD (1Cust91.tnt6.lorton.va.da.uu.net)[8041] |
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| I want, no i NEED a rematch. I think I could take Jim, I just need to play him a few more times to learn his tactics:) Oh yeah kickass BR! |
| #4 OrcManiac (ppp047.114.mmtl.videotron.net)[8045] |
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I dont want to sound like im good or something cuz i didnt see the game but from the battle report jim didnt looked really godly. Oh well he wouild probably beat me but expand nude? 3 temp attack unescorted? oh well nice try ghost.
Orc |
| #5 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[8046] |
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| Damn. Mark4 is trying to prevent -Nutling- from getting the next 10.0 HAHAHAHA I tihnk he's scared that I know where he lives. |
| #6 |2age'ATM (spider-te053.proxy.aol.com)[8050] |
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| cool br maybe someday ill be crazy or brave enough to write one gg but umm if your gonna make vultures you should mine the whole map not just ur opponents or your own choke |
| #7 Mind Twist (PPPa44-ResaleTerreHaute1-5R1106.saturn.bbn.com)[8054] |
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| what the hell is Ghost's problem? he is a damned fine player and to give someone who mark4 says is so great such a hard game then get angry is foolish. i would love it if i could give ANYONE a hard time at this game! jeez :( good br |
| #8 Johnny_Vegas (pool0194.cvx9-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net)[8058] |
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Don't feel bad Ghost, Jim owned me twice in a row once on Kakaru Keys. That guy is freaking relentless, he never stops attacking, and he expands like a whore with just barely enough defense to stop you.
Great BR mark! Woohoo! You used HTML! Hot dog! This is one of your best yet. Probe stealing malt liquor. hehehe |
| #9 -=Elminster=- (216-132-37-251.ihug.net)[8064] |
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| Orc, believe me, jim's godly 8( *proven* |
| #10 -=Elminster=- (216-132-37-251.ihug.net)[8065] |
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He's just a different kind of toss than me or ahs which rely on macro so badly. He's kinda like micro man. And that's even better coz he can play on all map with little diff unlike me that can only play in temple 8(. <== crappy
Btw to persian pow : where did u get all those images that u often put in ur comment ? |
| #11 Omnipresent (catvnet-116-194.catvnet.com)[8066] |
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| Is it me or has Heartcutter, by one br, started an entire new trend for terran? Suddenly all the new reports are on fac rushers or factory units like goliaths and their successes or failures with it (mainly successes). Just a little obvious something I used my sherlock holmes deduction powers to find out ;). |
| #12 Mark4 (147.239.118.3)[8069] |
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Just like ladder, certain strats come and go in the nohunters/br.com community. Probably a lot more clearly because of this site too. When I played ladder I could look at someone's rating and race and call thier strat, usually to within a few seconds for specific units too.
And if Jim didn't look godly, call it a credit to Ghost for giving him a hard time. |
| #13 heh (cietnts.gmu.edu)[8075] |
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| you can easily expand naked against terran on temple. the map has so many expansions and the only fast terran units are wraith/vul and both of these are easily destroyed by very few cannons. just keep the bulk of your forces in the middle and you can reach each base before losing too many probes or your nexus. lost temple sucks for terran... have a few observers around the terran main too look for drops...and you have got 1 turtled terran. |
| #14 heh (cietnts.gmu.edu)[8076] |
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you can easily expand naked against terran on temple. the map has so many expansions and the only fast terran units are wraith/vul and both of these are easily destroyed by very few cannons. just keep the bulk of your forces in the middle and you can reach each base before losing too many probes or your nexus. lost temple sucks for terran... have a few observers around the terran main too look for drops...and you have got 1 turtled terran.
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| #15 Heartcutter (sv.cache.nlanr.net)[8080] |
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Good BR. Good try Ghost.
The key was swatting expansions, and you've gotta do that as terran. Ghost, once you bottled him in his main, you needed to check the other start locations and lay a mine at each one. Then you could send in the hordes when you needed to.
But Crazy Jim is crazy good. I've beaten him 100% of the time though (I won the only game we played, and it was a 2v2 in a local tourney).
But keep practicing Ghost. You'll get there someday. |
| #16 Mark4 (147.239.118.3)[8081] |
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I'm still waiting for someone to say the current rating is result of favoritism =p. Hurry up and accuse me!
One note on the three unescorted templar attack. Jim had an observer nearby so he probably used it to make sure the route was clear. |
| #17 Whoop (pool0086.cvx10-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net)[8082] |
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Hey Elm if you're reading this I realized we could use your big brain over at our little discussion forum. If you don't know the address its
http://disc.server.com/Indices/37990.html
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| #18 -=1999=- (147.133.40.121)[8083] |
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| One measly spider mine would have stopped that first attack on Ghost. Mine the entire Base!!!! |
| #19 T.T.Boy (ncache1.ford.com)[8086] |
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| Good report. It is fun to read about the big boys. |
| #20 JSH (pmroch7-152.rconnect.com)[8089] |
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This rating could be because of favoritism.
Nah. |
| #21 (exchange1.sensable.com)[8103] |
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Yo, I know this was posted above but I just wanted to provide a hotlink to some discussions that are ongoing about TvP heavy metal strats, there have been 3 threads just in the last day. I think the whole subject is fascinating :-). Here they are starting from most recent:
<a href="http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=37990&article=21794">http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=37990&article=21794></a>
<a href="http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=37990&article=21760">http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=37990&article=21760</a>
<a href="http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=37990&article=21724">http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=37990&article=21724</a>
Uh, and if you wanna die quick, you can check out Whoop's <a href="http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=37990&article=21804">all-purpose BC rush</a> strat thread too :-b.
<font size=2>BTW: I hope nobody takes this the wrong way, I'm not trying to advertise my forum here, just pointing out related discussions that I think might be helpful to look at.</font> |
| #22 Mark4 (strangers.bragg.army.mil)[8105] |
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| Links are fine in the comments area shock. The thing that pisses me off is when people make BRs that are only links to thier sites. Besides, I think we probably have had more discussion on this strat here than in the forum =] |
| #23 Johnny_Vegas (fink.ahnet.net)[8106] |
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| Any and all comments are welcome here. That's you right shock? |
| #24 Soulsplitter' (spider-wo074.proxy.aol.com)[8110] |
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| Now that I'm 1050, i think i can kill any heavy metal strat. You just find out what they are making most, then counter it. zealots with speeed can counter most. goons kill vultures:) nice BR mark4. Gl in the next ffa!!!! GO TOSS! |
| #25 [IceBerG] (ip-205-40.phx.fr.dancris.com)[8119] |
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| Hey Soul, don't jump the gun there. Here's how the metal strat should work.... the Terran counters you, not the other way around. Terran has better recon, allowing them to "scout" you and counter. Vulture + mines stop the zeals, once that's established and they see the toss going goons, they would switch to tanks. Oh, you're going air, well gollies are next on the list. I'm not saying it's not beatable, I'm just saying, it might not be as easy to counter as you may think. Most of the people who are advocating this strat are 1200+ players... I think that says something. ;-) |
| #26 Smoked Pork (ppp-151-102-098.texoma.net)[8128] |
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One crucial literary mistake that killed an otherwise good report here: I read
<I>Next came the turning point in the game...</I>
and glance over at the scrollbar...there's still 80% of the report left to read and the outcome is already laid out before me. Somehow I lose interest when I know the plot ahead of time. |
| #27 Soulsplitter' (spider-wj051.proxy.aol.com)[8136] |
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| Ah, but you see. You hide your counter, then hit the terran hard in one big blow, and wipe the floor with them.:) Of course, i never get to play terran, so i really wouldn't know. |
| #28 Soulsplitter' (spider-wj042.proxy.aol.com)[8141] |
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| ok, i just got worked by teran. He had a mix so i couldnt kill him. His numbers were just to massive. I cant take it, boo hoo hoo. I shoulda rushed, then i woulda won. |
| #29 Mark4 (1Cust217.tnt3.rdu1.da.uu.net)[8144] |
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Duly noted smoke. Of course, one could argue the game was all Ghost's up to that point, with his attacks and map control, thus that point might have been just the momentum swinging the other way for a while. Still, something to keep in mind. Thanks.
And did you not know the outcome when you saw Jim "Top 16 brood war player in the world" vrs Ghost "I try real hard and will be great someday" in the title? =] |
| #30 .Praetor (port-sac41.cwo.com)[8145] |
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| I loved the humor! Especially the klepto probe. Though you were a little heavy on the hot lovin' parts. It's become par for the course, I suppose =(. |
| #31 Fractal_Wave (proxy4.gvcl1.bc.home.com)[8154] |
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This is money. Great report Mark. I wish I could play top-16 players... and almost win
pro-* job ghost
)
All the Best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #32 Slicer (ip204.portland11.or.pub-ip.psi.net)[8176] |
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Well, it was a decent BR, I'm surprised Ghost couldn't fight back the reavers a bit better though.
Oh, and ladder worshippers..
Wait until the day of a big reset. Late at night, before the midnight reload of scores, click Ladder.
See all those top 10 players?
Now click "show current statistics".
See all those zeroes?
I rest my case. |
| #33 Apparition-X (kestrel.mainland.ab.ca)[8184] |
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First, this is no disrespect to Ghost's skills, he did well. But the bottom line is that any player who outresources the other like Jim did to Ghost, will win with ease. Having said that... this game seems pretty typical of Jim's style... expand like a ho, and use good micro to slow your opponent down until you can just overwhelm him. Certainly the way he played against me, and even though I killed his main, he still annhilated me in the end (this was on dire).
My personal feeling is that this game as much as any highlights the problems terran have with toss, namely that any strategy/race that mandates micro will lose to any strategy/race that does not. Micro is a resource, just like gas and minerals, and terran requires more micro than any other race. I am trying not to scream the "i" word here, but make a plea of sorts. Terrans need a strat that enables them to play vs. toss with as little micro as toss, or they will lose.
Apparition-X
btw, Heartcutter, JV, Ghost, whoever, take this as a challenge. Personally, I dont think it can be done. I think toss are literally unbeatable by terran (on temple at least), but prove me wrong!
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| #34 GhOsT~LiZarD (1Cust74.tnt3.lorton.va.da.uu.net)[8205] |
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| Orcmaniac beat my toss w/terran on temple, and yeah i'll play ya:) |
| #35 Mr. Merf (dial-up236.twistedpair.net)[8310] |
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GhOsT~LiZarD, I have to say i applaud the fact that you didn't surrender when things started looking grim. IMO it's annoying to read about players of varying skill levels (admittedly, mostly newbies) surrending the instant someone attacks them with a force somewhat equal to theirs.
And Mark, great BR and nice pics.=] |
| #36 Abused_Slurgi (1Cust96.tnt1.des-moines.ia.da.uu.net)[8349] |
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| Bah i could take him, cause noone else can take me in NH...sept Fizban (some odd reason) i wanna play the best in NH cause i'm bored of easy wins. And Crazy~Jim~Lizard sounds like an Ok Fair toss (sence the sarcasm?) But it's be an almost ok on the set adventure on the road to getting owned. Cause noone can do it =p. |
| #37 -stickman- (203.36.248.16)[8382] |
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| Hehe, that report was damn funny. Especially the bubble wrap and that probe. |
| #38 Bumblebee Bob (spider-to067.proxy.aol.com)[11485] |
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| YoU SMELL LIKE POOPY |
| #39 Bumblebee Bob (spider-to067.proxy.aol.com)[11486] |
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| YOU SMELL LIKE POOPY |
| #40 ++Enzymhemmer++ (195.166.139.134)[12375] |
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| Great report. But i can not believe that this fight lasts only for 26 minutes. |
| #41 help me[120763] |
| ip68-102-35-57.ks.ok.cox.net |
| im trying to find a server for ghost recon becuase ubi is fukcing up ive never played before and i dont really understand the server bull shit plz help me thanks |
| #42 wakiki[154365] |
| cable-68-186-201-180.mtv.al.charter.com |
| Last. |
| #43 Convider[163732] |
| toronto-HSE-ppp4110710.sympatico.ca |
| Why do the spambots enjoy Crazy Jim so much? |
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