| #1 Fractal_Wave[127745] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
1st.
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #2 CynicalMagician[127747] |
| srdene-56.resnet.ubc.ca |
hahaha
you swine! |
| #3 Fractal_Wave[127748] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
'nothing, i want nothing!'
Ahh...just like old times. |
| #4 ToKoreaWithLove[127749] |
| internett2proxy.fellesdata.no |
single digit .. fractal .. i am teh luck.
- blaze |
| #5 vincible[127751] |
| SABERTOOTH.MIT.EDU |
| Fifth, fun read. |
| #6 Toff[127753] |
| si137a.studby.ntnu.no |
| go me for actually reading the thing. |
| #7 CyMaN[127763] |
| pD952391C.dip.t-dialin.net |
| eheheheh |
| #8 ZerG~LinG[127772] |
| p411-100.ppp.get2net.dk |
| Too bad it wasnt a comeback :o |
| #9 ZerG~LinG[127773] |
| p411-100.ppp.get2net.dk |
| Bring back memories of a damn funny story, also related to drugs, mushrooms etc. Did you write that as well? |
| #10 ZerG~LinG[127774] |
| p411-100.ppp.get2net.dk |
More comment spamming :o
Read the story now, sounds like you had fun :)
problem is, it wasn't that fun for the reader, the drug cliches just kept on coming :O |
| #11 Slings[127782] |
| host-124-067.lemoyne.edu |
| interesting - though I do find any reference to spirituality through chemicals to be a bit laughable - that's just me. What are you actually going to college for? |
| #12 DivvyO[127784] |
| adsl-66-125-152-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net |
frac
email
plz |
| #13 EldritchEvil[127786] |
| nr11-216-196-186-193.fuse.net |
Haha.
Good. |
| #14 ZeaL[127787] |
| 205.204.242.21 |
| lol |
| #15 stonecoldnewbie[127788] |
| c-24-245-66-207.mn.client2.attbi.com |
haha nice
LOL TIME OBVIOUSLY THIS ISNT FRACTAL CUZ HE DIDNT USE HTML. EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING YOU WOULD KNOW THAT FRACTAL_WAVE IS A DRUG LOVING RAVER, SHUT UP NEWBIE. |
| #16 Fractal_Wave[127792] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Alas, irregardless of whatever you may think, I am the Wave, and the Wave is me.
If you don't think this is me, fair enough - nothing I can say or do will convince you otherwise. But most people who knew me back in the day will recognize the writing style.
Divvy: I'll email you tonight.
ZergLing: I didn't write the previous one, and yeah, there are lots of cliches in there, but hell, how many 1v1s at at Temple have there been that were fun to play? The best thing about cliches is that they're usually all true. And that was another cliches. ;p
Slings: I find it fairly laughable too - I would hardly say I'm going to move to Fiji and become a beachcoming shaman because of this trip, but I now realize how those shamans did it. And I'm taking an audio engineering course.
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #17 Some_God[127793] |
| proxy.ia4.marketscore.com |
You guys want spam??? here it is :
THIS PEICE OF SHIT SUCKS HORSE ASS. WTF IS THIS. THIS DOESNT EVEN DESERVE TO BE READ BECUASE IT HAS NO HTML AND IT IS TOO DAMN LONG. WHATS WRONG WITH YOU WAVE????? DO YOU HAVE A TUMOR THE SIZE OF YOUR LEFT TESTICS ( not a big tumor I guess ) IN YOUR BRAIN.
STAB.
[this concludes the spamming... BTW this was only a drill and if theis was a real spamming comment Wave WOULD get stabbed :D ] |
| #18 Some_God[127794] |
| proxy.ia4.marketscore.com |
| TESTICAL* |
| #19 ZerG~LinG[127801] |
| p434-084.ppp.get2net.dk |
| Right. Humour isnt ur strong side, Some_God. |
#20  [127802] |
| pcp660145pcs.prshng01.fl.comcast.net |
| Since when is HTML a necessity for a report? That's like saying your mother isn't a woman because she doesn't have implants. |
| #21 -the o_0-[127804] |
| 24.138.58.44 |
22nd on Fractal Wave thing! This is the closest I've ever come to being famous. It's true.
Hmm... since it appears there are big words, I just scrolled down to comment. Though, I did manage to catch the words "Tony Hawk," "Smee," and "pizza," so I'll assume it was awesome. |
| #22 Fractal_Wave[127805] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
This just kills me...here are people commenting without even realizing that this is a report of a goddamn drug trip.
Read the report, you swine! ;p
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #23 Some_God[127807] |
| proxy.ia3.marketscore.com |
| but thats alot of words I have to read = ( |
| #24 Some_God[127808] |
| proxy.ia3.marketscore.com |
I have a question... why do you guys laugh at stupid 1950`s jokes but not at the new 90`s jokes.... I dont get it... or proabbly you guys are 80
=þ |
| #25 Fractal_Wave[127809] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Cry me a river, liberal.
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #26 doobiesnacks[127810] |
| c-66-56-2-206.atl.client2.attbi.com |
um, top 100? Fractal_Wave report?
ORGASM
though nothing like ur oldies..(btw go repair broken links plz) |
| #27 Slings[127817] |
| host-124-067.lemoyne.edu |
| the key difference Time, is that like it or not, Fractal does seem to have experience and insight into the drug culture. Do we respect him for that? Personally I don't. I feel it makes him a less of a person, but by the same token I don't really see how you could in good conscience ban him from talking about it. Take the report for what it's worth - an insight into a world I hope you never have or need insight into. |
| #28 Fractal_Wave[127818] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Slings, you never cease to confound me.
On the one hand, you seem the soul of liberal-ness...on the other, a bitter, hating, drug czar.
Personally, I fail to see how having experience and insight into something can ~ever~ be a bad thing.
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #29 UraniumAnchor[127829] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
My view on drugs: Do what you want, but don't be surprised if I call you stupid for it.
That is all. |
| #30 CynicalMagician[127841] |
| srdene-56.resnet.ubc.ca |
| My view on the last two commentors: Do what you want, but don't be surprised if you end up as McWorkers. |
| #31 LuckyNewbie:P[127842] |
| dialup-63.211.244.151.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net |
| we've got the american jesus yo |
| #32 Fractal_Wave[127856] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
...And your overconfidence and closemindedness will be your undoing....
i feel like yoda, ;p
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #33 chobo[127857] |
| CPE014060001930.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com |
wow, i loved it. it so reminds me of any time me and my friends get absolutely fucked on organics.
u ever tried x? that shit is orgasm in a pill :)
anything uve felt on weed/shrooms is multiplied 10 times. no wonder those raver peope like grinding. fooling around on x is amazing.
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| #34 Fractal_Wave[127866] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
you're speaking to a raver and a dj - what do you think? ;)
Mushrooms are a kinder, more natural high...ecstasy feels cleaner, but more chemical, and it mistreats your brain a little more. Both have their good points, and both abuse you in their own ways. Know your stuff and be careful, kiddies. |
| #35 Sudo Nym[127871] |
| rhrh01002.roam.utk.edu |
Either this is a fraud or Fractal_Wave has completely lost his mind.
40th!!!!!! |
| #36 Orion[127872] |
| cache-1.atw.pa.webcache.rcn.net |
| Fractal how much do u pay for 1/8th of shrooms? i gotta pay 45 dollars for them god damn it =/ |
| #37 YourButteredBiscuit[127876] |
| 24-90-13-224.si.rr.com |
| Oh man, that took me back. My first trip on shrooms took about 2 hours to kick in, but when it did it hit me like a wall of bricks. I remember sitting down next to my friend mike and saying, "The ground's gotta stop breathing so heavy dude." From there it was all sorts of craziness and I loved every second of it. I've done all sorts of drugs, of all shapes and sizes, and the only one's I'd ever bother with again are Shrooms, Acid, Alcohol, and of course, Weed. Everything else is garbage, and yes, I've done everything else. Don't knock anything until you give it a try. But don't ever try cocaine. It is the devil. It is every bit as bad as TV tells you and worse. I had a point to make when I started writing this but its all lost to me now because I'm incredibly tired and I want to take a nap. So fuck it. |
| #38 Decay[127878] |
| 206.10.109.77 |
I'm clean now and proud of it, but this brought back a few memories :(. Good writing, it's nice to see some of the old schoolers still hanging out here. =/
~Decay |
| #39 DivvyO[127899] |
| adsl-66-123-53-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net |
| jesus shit my best drug trip is probably the adventures on valium i had when geting my wisdom teeth removed |
| #40 UraniumAnchor[127900] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
Please explain to me how thinking taking recreational drugs is a bad idea and not particularly fun means that I'm going to end up working at McDonald's?
Dumbest thing I've heard all week.
Besides, I'm not saying I don't do my share of stupid things, so we're all in the same boat. :p |
| #41 Fractal[127901] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Decay: Was that a compliment or not?
Divvy: I emailed you - and yeah, perscription drugs can fuck shit up.
Uranium: It's the closemindedness of it that's going to screw you - if you just don't want to smoke pot, or do mushrooms, or do acid, or rail cocaine, more power to you. But if you decry anyone who does do those things as stupid, simply because they did them, that's pretty vicious.
I mean, I could say you're stupid for having sex - you might get diseases, you might get a kid, any number of horrible things could happen. Surely physical pleasure isn't worth such risks...
hmmm. |
| #42 vincible[127902] |
| TANG-TWO-SIXTY-ONE.MIT.EDU |
Nah, it's not necessarily closeminded to say taking drugs is dumb. It's possible that one could take an informed look at medical studies and decide that taking drugs is a stupid thing to do. Then it's not closemindedness, it's just looking at the available evidence.
I'm not saying it's the *correct* position--I'm just saying it's a justifiable one. |
| #43 Fractal[127927] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Time: Yeah, and everyone follows the law to the letter. How many states still uphold the sodomy laws that state that oral sex is a felony? I'll bet you any amount of money that I'll never, ever get arrested for drugs in my life time. Ever. Not once. And 'you always fuck up your mind from drugs' is one of the most ignorant statements ever. Please, beleive your right-wing media more.
This is a test: Does ecstasty damage your spinal column? Please answer yes or no.
Vincible: of course they're not good for you - all drugs have some bad points to them. If you've looked at the evidence and decided you don't want to do them, more power to you! But if you summarily claim that 'doing drugs is stupid', I think you're being foolish.
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #44 chobo[127932] |
| CPE014060001930.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com |
| does it? i heard that it possibly could. but ive only done it a couple times |
| #45 UraniumAnchor[127933] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
I just think it's a bad idea to put anything into your body that can quite easily kill you.
I suppose I should have specified that my statement wasn't so broad as "all drugs", because, for example, I fully support legalizing weed, even though I'd never touch the stuff.
But stuff like ecstasy that can quite easily kill you the first time if you do it wrong (yes, so can alcohol, but it's quite a bit more difficult, from what I understand) or the really hard stuff like heroin and cocaine that gets you heavily addicted, yes, I'm going to raise a few eyebrows.
Shrooms I have no comment on because I really don't know anything about them.
And for the record I HAVE tried alcohol, but I didn't enjoy being drunk, so I don't do it any more. |
| #46 CynicalMagician[127937] |
| 142.103.55.218 |
There's a huge difference between drug use and drug abuse, just like there's a difference between someone who will have a beer while watching hockey and someone who's slagging back a 26 of whiskey every night. If you respect drugs and don't abuse them and keep your priorities straight (like you should do with every hobby, not just drugs), then you're not going to hurt yourself.
I had the highest GPA in my grad class, and now I'm in second year engineering, one of the hardest programs at the university I go to, and my current GPA is fairly above average. And guess what. I smoke pot habitually and do mushrooms every once in a while! What a conundrum!
See, the difference between me and your friend is the difference between drug use and drug abuse, and you're caught in the middle with an outdated and atavistic set of uneducated opinions. |
| #47 UraniumAnchor[127938] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
| Well then I commend you for being able to do it without fucking yourself up. Too bad most of the people I know can't seem to do that. |
| #48 CynicalMagician[127939] |
| 142.103.55.218 |
oh and uranium.. "I just think it's a bad idea to put anything into your body that can quite easily kill you."
Tens of thousands of people die as a result of alcohol and tobacco use (drinking & driving, alcohol poisoning, lung cancer, heart disease, etc etc etc). Thousands die from perscription drugs given to them by doctors (overdoses, bad drug interactions, overperscription, etc).
Now, how many die from cocaine/heroin overdoses/complications therein? Under 1500 between the two. E? Under 50 people in the 20 odd years that E has been popular. Acid? Under 30 since the 60s. Shrooms or weed? Nobody has ever killed themself with either. All those other uncommon drugs like 2cb and 2ct7 and DMT? Maybe 50 deaths in the last 10 years as an absolute max.
As long as you aren't a total fucking tool, you're way more likely to kill yourself on a legal drug than an illegal one, particularly if you're only doing psychedelics, as opposed to opiates and amphetamines and all that. |
| #49 vincible[127944] |
| SABERTOOTH.MIT.EDU |
Just playing devil's advocate here...
Fractal: "If you've looked at the evidence and decided you don't want to do them, more power to you! But if you summarily claim that 'doing drugs is stupid', I think you're being foolish."
Foolish perhaps, but that wasn't my point. You said "closeminded" and that's what I was objecting to. If you say it's closeminded for anti-drug people to call you stupid, then its obviously just as closeminded for you to call them stupid. Your viewpoint isn't priveleged here. |
| #50 Fractal[127945] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Cynical knows what up, him being the drug using degenerate that he is ;p
but to clairfy a little: we're not shockingly pro-drug. we're pro-knowledge and pro-choice. It's not our job to stop other people from using drugs - what massive hubris.
Uranium - e can't kill you the first time you use it any more than alcohol or pot or mushrooms or coke or meth or opium can. And hell yes, from a strictly intellectual point of view, drugs are just plain stupid. From a strictly pleasure point of view, they're amazing. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
Throw me an icq (105543322) if you want to argue more - you sound smarter than close-minded hippies like Time ;)
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #51 Fractal[127947] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Vincible: who's view point is ~ever~ priviledged?
My 'moral high ground' as it were comes from the fact that I've done lots and lots of research into the drugs I've done/do. I ~know~ why, say, ecstasy is bad for you. The vast majority of 'War On Drug' advocates don't know a darn thing about what they're Warring against.
Certainly, everyone is entitled to their opinion...but when that opinion is based in ignorace, I choose to call it stupid. As you said, if someone looked at ~all~ the evidence, and decided that drugs are bad and they don't want to do them, cool. But pontificating against them is annoying.
that make any more sense? |
| #52 Fractal[127949] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
"However MANY people have died from smoking to much pot and doing something stupid like jumping off a large building and driving while they are still "high""
This is know as survival of the fittest. Do you Darwin?
"The number of people who died that way is in the thousands."
I don't beleive that at all. Statistics?
Jesus shit, people who operate chainsaws when drunk get exactly what they deserve. Should we ban chainsaws and alcohol? |
| #53 UraniumAnchor[127950] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
Fractal: There was a girl who died on her 16th birthday in my area recently. She'd never done X before and she died, apparently she drank too much water. I wish I could remember exactly what happened, but that much I know.
Cyn: I don't think tobacco or alcohol are particularly smart either. Hence why I don't smoke and don't drink. And wish people I know wouldn't. You can't really use that as an argument when I think those other courses of action are equally bad.
I never said prescription drugs weren't dangerous either. Hell, I got codeine pills once when I hurt my back, and I could have knocked myself the hell out but I didn't. But I'm willing to bet the ratio of prescription drugs users to deaths caused by prescription drugs is lower than heroin/coke users to heroin/coke related deaths. If I'm wrong, cite some statistics and your source. ;P
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| #54 UraniumAnchor[127951] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
Stupid 1000 char limit.
But I hear enough horror stories about meth, X, coke, heroin, etc, that I know it's just a bad idea. Shrooms and pot I'm less inclined to label as "bad" because generally all I hear on that front is "Oh, person X uses them." I'm not sure where I lump acid, because the only story I've heard involving acid was actually rather humorous. (well, at least afterwards, the actual trip sounded pretty bad) |
| #55 vincible[127952] |
| SABERTOOTH.MIT.EDU |
Actually I think it's fine to call someone stupid when they take a position. That's just saying you disagree with their interpretation of the evidence.
But to call them "closeminded" you have to know that they're deliberately choosing not to learn about the subject, and you don't know that, or at least, you didn't know that at the beginning of the thread (though you may have made that judgement by the end). Just because most of the "War on Drugs" crowd consists of ignorant, moralizing prigs doesn't mean they all are.
By the way, I mostly agree with you and would be pro-legalization for most drugs. I just like arguing and also have a problem set due tomorrow that's not much fun =( |
| #56 Frax[127953] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Yeah, those are reasonable statements. Certainly, drugs are Bad For You. The physically addictive ones (from coke on up) are very, very bad...because the only way for you to know if you can deal with them is to try them. And if you can't deal with them, you're in shit.
Ecstasy is, honest to god, not that physically bad for you. The jury is still out on it's mental effects...I'm inclined to thinkt that they're certainly not good for you but not instant death either. As for deaths by overhydration, my condolnces, as that's utterly tragic...but it's estimated that ~2 million pills are consumed every weekend in the UK...and there have been ~5 deaths from overhydration? I think less than that.
Anywho, I'll stop ranting about e, and just say that, yeah drugs are a bad idea. But, done right, they can be very fun.
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| #57 Fractal[127954] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Vincible: Yeah, the probably with being liberal is stereotyping the conservative pigs ;p
Of course, people believe research that they want to believe, and changing people's opinions (especially through the internet ;) is very, very hard.
And in regards to closeminded, in this thread:
"stfu and go get some help before I track down your IP and arrest you for selling weed to minors. (I know what you did last summer, foo)"
sounds closeminded to me. ;p
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| #58 Fractal[127957] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
| Time: Explain away. Describe to me how Ecstasy is bad for me. See if you can tell me something I don't know. ;p |
| #59 UraniumAnchor[127963] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
This is what lumping does.
You people might think I'm the same as TIME. GAH!
Do us all a favor and go play in front of a thresher, plz. |
| #60 Fractal_Wave[127966] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Mass amounts of subjectivity. I know literally dozens of people who have done E more than once, and none of them have committed suicide.
I will agree with you that the serotonin lows caused by E are no fun at all, and can lead to an unpleasent cycle of use, but I certainly never contemplated suicide during one.
However, your entire rant about depression is flawed: I've done E five times over the course of a year's peroid. I am healthy, happy, love life, and not at all depressed. I never had any serious depression at any point during that year's time. What say you to that?
..continued... |
| #61 Fractal[127968] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Ecstasy does NOT 'melt neurons'. It damages serotonin axons, which are what dumped all the serotonin into your brain in the first place. This is why your subsequent E highs will rarely be on a level with your first.
The effects of ecstasy neurotoxicity are still up in the air - some people argue that one dose will destroy your life, some will say that it has no noticable drawbacks. Considering that first hit mass use about 10-15 years ago, and we don't have hordes of broken people, I'm inclinded to think that it does less bad stuff. But who knows?
..continued..
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| #62 Fractal[127971] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
kapwing!!
I always do that when bitching people out about grammar ;p
Perhaps Shulgin was a 'hippy grinder', but I don't think a guy working for a pharmacutial company in 1912 would be a hippy grinder...
But seriously - as a teacher, how do you explain your lack of knowledge on something you hold assemblies about? |
| #63 Fractal[127975] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Neuron: Any of the impulse-conducting cells that constitute the brain, spinal column, and nerves, consisting of a nucleated cell body with one or more dendrites and a single axon. Also called nerve cell.
Hmm. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
Of course E does bad things to you - that was never in doubt. But how bad are they? Will they ruin your life? I'm living proof that they won't.
The wonderful thing about drugs is that the authorities say they do one thing, and the users says they do another - the truth is probably somewhere in between. |
| #64 vincible[127976] |
| TANG-TWO-SIXTY-ONE.MIT.EDU |
"neuron is a broad term for small particles/bacteria in your body"
No. Just no. Neurons are a very specific type of cell. Neurons are not just "small particles" and they are certainly not "bacteria". Before I was ambivalent about how ignorant you were, but now you have conclusively proved you know nothing about the human body. |
| #65 Fractal[127978] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Yeah, we should sue you. Do you tell the kids you're lecturing about drug use that "E is really bad and it depresses you, but I can't tell you why, so don't do it."
Jesus shit man, have some intellectual integrity. |
| #66 Fractal[127980] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Defend, defend, defend.
You have the power of the entire internet at your fingertips, and you can't take the time to look something up and confirm it? |
| #67 UraniumAnchor[127981] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
TIME, the day I side with you is the day I stick my head in the microwave and melt it enough so that I can think at your level.
At least I have my reasons, you're just spouting bullshit. |
| #68 Fractal[127984] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
www.erowid.org
all i have to say.
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #69 UraniumAnchor[127986] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
Anybody who actually believes TIME is a "teacher", please raise your hand?
*readies his axe* |
| #70 vincible[128015] |
| TANG-TWO-SIXTY-ONE.MIT.EDU |
| Btw Cynical, Fractal, no one believes Time when he says he is a teacher. Just so you don't take him too seriously. |
| #71 UraniumAnchor[128018] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
Ok that's half of what I asked for.
I asked for comparisons users of prescription drugs to deaths caused by bad prescriptions, not alcohol and tobacco.
Let's not even discuss tobacco, because everybody knows it kills you and/or causes a host of health problems. Yes, it does, shut up, don't argue.
The problem that I see with alcohol is that the perception is that it IS so safe, so people abuse it so much that it becomes decidedly UNsafe. Not unlike the recent rise in AIDS cases in Japan from people thinking it's safe to sleep around. (wish I could remember where I read that, I'd see if I can hunt the URL down again, but it's not really relevant)
Just about every one of my friends who smokes pot, does shrooms, or trips on acid or X thinks that coke and heroin are truly awful and dangerous drugs. Even if they don't kill you, they screw you up pretty badly. Two words: Crack baby.
As a side note, why isn't TIME banned from the site yet? |
| #72 UraniumAnchor[128020] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
I was talking to somebody and they brought up another point:
People tend to drink longer (as in, 5 years as opposed to 3) than they do coke, but coke has more "lasting" effects than alcohol, whereas alcohol is more immediately dangerous. (forgetting liver disease for the moment, as that takes quite a commitment to alcohol) |
| #73 ZerG~LinG[128021] |
| p425-073.ppp.get2net.dk |
Wow, you 3/4 people sure make a lot of comments :o
Wont even bother to read everything, I would never do drugs, but I have a lot of friends that do, and most of them seem fine. Basically like any other conversation this boils down to different opinions, and none of you are going to change, so bleh.
And Time was banned, but JV couldnt do it without banning 10 other ppl who did a lot for the site. |
| #74 vincible[128030] |
| SABERTOOTH.MIT.EDU |
| More importantly, though, it's just an invalid comparison which shouldn't be made in the first place, since the test populations are different. Many of the people who take prescription drugs have vulnerable bodies anyway--they're sick, they're old, and they're infirm--so their bodies are ill-equipped to recover from prescription drug mistakes, and a lot of them were about to die anyway. The people who take illegal drugs are generally not any of these three, so their bodies can take a lot more abuse before they die. You can bet if the prescription drug-taking population (ie your grandparents) started taking the illegal stuff, you'd see a whole lot more deaths, at a much higher ratio. |
| #75 vincible[128031] |
| SABERTOOTH.MIT.EDU |
| Also, doctors provide risky treatments for people in desperate need--a doctor will give something that has a 20% chance of killing you if it also has a 60% chance of curing your otherwise fatal cancer--so deaths of that sort will also be classed as prescription drug deaths, unfairly, since statistically drugs of this sort are saving lives. |
| #76 UraniumAnchor[128044] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
| Time, first off, he never said drugs didn't harm you. What he DID say is that they're much less harmful than you think. Which is true, when I see how harmful you think they are. Please stop making the rest of us look bad, thanks. |
| #77 Fractal[128046] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
I would respond to this, but Uranium said it for me.
Again, I don't CARE what you do or don't do - all I care about is that you get The Facts before condemning things. And if you still condemn them, don't try to push your viewpoint on to other people.
Time :: drug use has not damaged my life in any way.
I recommend that you stop seeing things in brutal shades of black and white. I recommend that you go listen to some John Digweed and chill yourself out.
Heck, I recommend that everyone listen to some John Digweed. ;) |
| #78 UraniumAnchor[128051] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
Anybody else see the irony in TIME's statement, or is it just me?
"Thanks for proving my point. You are a thickheaded moron that shouldn't have made it through grade school. I laugh and laugh and laugh." |
| #79 UraniumAnchor[128054] |
| 216-38-53-130.ip.amisp.net |
| That joke went so far over your head it got hijacked and flown into a major landmark. |
| #80 Fractal[128056] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
~L~
Time, let me try to make this clear to you.
My drug use has adversly affected my body. I've felt like SHIT after being drunk. I've felt like I need to take 5645643 showers after being high on mushrooms. And I've felt like I need to sleep for a year and a day after doing E and dancing all night.
I am sure that my body has suffered some LONG TERM physical harm from my drug use. I feel sure that my serotonin axons are slightly damaged from dopamine being broken down in them.
I am sure that my liver is PERMANANTLY damaged from me drinking way to much alcohol on my birthday.
I am sure that my kidneys cried like LITTLE GIRLS while dealing with the posions that are in psychedelic mushrooms.
I agree with you that drug use is physically harming me. I am in NO WAY in denial about that.
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| #81 Fractal[128057] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
However, the use of these substances has not adversly affected my life as a whole. I can deal with the fact that these things do some small amount of damage to me in return for one helluva good time.
If you, for some perverse, totalitarian reason, cannot accept this fact, so be it.
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| #82 IcE-Inforcer[128061] |
| proxy.ia4.marketscore.com |
Heheh, pretty original!
Although I don't encourage drugs, nor do I do any, this was good (so far). Now Ima read the rest.
-IcE- |
| #83 Some_God[128063] |
| proxy.ia4.marketscore.com |
| Wow 112 comments about drugs ... cool |
| #84 Fractal[128068] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Yes Time. Yes I am.
Perhaps you know the old saw about candles? |
| #85 Fractal[128071] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
Damn straight. Can't you comprehend the logic behind making a sacrafice for enjoyment? It's like staying out late at a concert - you're going to hurt in the morning, but wow it was worth it.
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| #86 IcE-Inforcer[128076] |
| proxy.ia4.marketscore.com |
At least he wont have to deal with arthritis, weak bones, tumors, cancer, heart attacks, wrinkled skin, blindness, dumbess... OLDNESS ya know..
But hey, whenever I'll have to deal with these I'll use the good ol' fractal way; Drugs. I'm not joking.
-IcE- |
| #87 {DD}Fatboy[128077] |
| adsl-66-124-234-194.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net |
Time, your a fuckin ignorant idiot with shit for brains. Quit trying to teach and learn something for yourself. I'm a 15 year old high school student and I kno more about drugs than you. you are truly a dumbass. thx. go ahead and flame me, im never gonna read this again.
my two cents. |
| #88 Casper...[128095] |
| spc-isp-tor-58-18-259.sprint.ca |
| if he's willing to use a cathetar at 60 and have alzheimers then you should be willing to accept his views on the consumption of controlled substances. |
| #89 [scv][128096] |
| 203.202.160.5 |
| My friends and I are "drug monkeys" I suppose. But we are all fine. My mate Clint went pretty hard on E for like 5 months and he looked a little worse for wear, but he wasn't depressed or tried to commit suicide =[ |
| #90 Fractal[128207] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
~L~
now it looks like i'm arguing with myself ;p |
| #91 [128212] |
| lon213b.long.fsu.edu |
| Gogo reverse comment whoring! Heh. |
| #92 Fractal[128259] |
| h24-79-90-101.vc.shawcable.net |
hey CB, obviously you should rate this a 10. ;p
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| #93 [128307] |
| pcp660145pcs.prshng01.fl.comcast.net |
| I don't rate reports on games I haven't played. ;) |
#94  [129571] |
| cache-mtc-am04.proxy.aol.com |
| testing |
| #95 pop_killer[131603] |
| Toronto-HSE-ppp3756562.sympatico.ca |
it's a report of which game???
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| #96 Dino Din[133771] |
| 216.23.59.61.nw.nuvox.net |
gah what can i say?
too many people relate long-winded drug events thinking their thompson or something I don't know. But theyre not! It's really difficult to enjoy someone else doing drugs even if you are familiar.
So, nice effort... I guess, but I was bored. Sorry |
| #97 Cpt.Chronic[134590] |
| 65.89.38.242 |
| You do realize ravers are just neo-hippies. The only difference is the way they dress, what kind of music they listen to, and the frequency of hair-cuts. Now go rub some vicks in each others eyes you damn dirty ravers. |
| #98 NotJim[138536] |
| prx3.act.schools.net.au |
| Not bad! |
| #99 NotJim[138537] |
| prx3.act.schools.net.au |
| Not bad! Last! this is adboule |
| #100 Fractal[141658] |
| h24-87-237-80.vc.shawcable.net |
/last
thx gw ;p
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #101 Anomaly[146915] |
| 69-160-2-162.bflony.adelphia.net |
I wish I could have been around during your era frac. You sound like a awesome person. I hope you the best.
~Yuy |
| #102 ElectronicMage[148627] |
| cache-dtc-aa01.proxy.aol.com |
Hell its 2004 and I am bored so I will comment.
A fact people seem to forget is that drugs must come from somewhere. Coke,Weed all of them come from drug dealers most anyway who get them from Drug lords. These are not pleasent people they kill and use people for cheap labor.
People could argue till the end of time if its ok but is it ok for people to die to bring someone drugs? |
| #103 wakiki[150772] |
| cable-24-196-21-103.mtv.al.charter.com |
| Heh, commenting on old reports is awesome. I've never used drugs, but this was an awesome read. Lol nice man. <3 |
| #104 wakiki[155080] |
| cable-68-113-117-177.mtv.al.charter.com |
Last.
;P
I wish Time's comments were still here to laugh at. |
| #105 PeaceableGhost[155877] |
| ppp-69-216-128-173.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net |
| I think I exist to make's wak's last-comment-whoring-life miserable. |
| #106 Fractal_Wave[156612] |
| d216-232-170-238.bchsia.telus.net |
(and let me assure you, I'm more obsessive than all of you ; )
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #107 Desert Demon[157449] |
| user-0ce2kma.cable.mindspring.com |
| frac, if you read this, what's ur aim? I've got a few questions ;D |
| #108 NotJim[162078] |
| ppp-38-132.grapevine.net.au |
Or just your email, for that matter. :D
Last. |
| #109 Fractal_Wave[163312] |
| S0106000c414c4d75.gv.shawcable.net |
Never the last, son.
Demon - djfractal.net
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
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