| #1 Fractal_Wave[22660] |
| 24.65.24.97.bc.wave.home.com |
1st
& i dont know why my br clear tags arn't working...johhny?
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #2 Executor[22662] |
| cache7.ihug.co.nz |
| Good Report what else can i say :) |
| #3 Sp|nE[22667] |
| dialup0356-pri.voicenet.com |
Nicely made but dull game =[
Fractal, im curious as to how many drones ggman had on gas. He obviously got his ext relativly early, but didnt seem to use any gas except for the upgrade at the evo. So did he only have like one drone on gas, for maximum effeciency w drones on mins? Not that 9 drones is effecient, but you get my point =]
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| #4 ~Talon~[22668] |
| cx110054-a.pwy1.sdca.home.com |
| "Korean masters" |
| #5 Mogalin[22675] |
| cgowave-0-225.cgocable.net |
| I like this better than Ducky's plagiarized story! |
| #6 Fractal_Wave[22680] |
| 24.65.24.97.bc.wave.home.com |
Spi|nE:
I know it was a bad game...that's the issue with these darn tournys..even a 4-pool has to be reported.
(right johhny:)
I think around two or three drones on gas, but i could be wrong. I think he originally put 2-3 on, in case he needed muties, but when he saw the hard 'lings that Byun was doing, went down to 1 or 2, just to get 1/0 |
| #7 Fractal_Wave[22681] |
| 24.65.24.97.bc.wave.home.com |
oops, for got.
All the best,
Fractal_Wave |
| #8 Lemuroo[22698] |
| nor-90-60.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU |
It is soooo weird looking at a top down view of a map.
after playing numberous games on Lost Temple for over a year i was completely shocked to see its top down view.
i remember looking at a battlereport over at blizzard's webpage that was supposedly on Lost Temple, but after seeing the top down view i concluded that they musta switched map pictures instead.
after seeing that blizzard had done this same mistake on every game on lost temple, i started scratching my head.
oh wells.
i saw the top down view of the proving grounds for the first time on your battlereport, and the first thought that crossed my head was "wtf?!"
yes, i am "special" |
| #9 WilliamWC3[22702] |
| huru27.wuh.wustl.edu |
Great Work! It sucks when your report is detracted from because the game sucked. I was going to use those blizz mpa jpgs in my <i>next</i> report. Always late to the punch. Keep writing.
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| #10 Fox^1[22711] |
| www-proxy.service.digital.com |
| Nice report. Just wondering if both players could watch build orders and saw that both players were going to lings, why didn't either of them build mutalisks?? just 3-5 of them would have done wonders. Once again great report |
| #11 kak[22713] |
| volta.cybercable.fr |
| hi |
| #12 Sp|nE[22719] |
| 207.239.12.200 |
| Why is it so hard to get my name right? S - p - | - n - E. Spell it out now. Spine, not spline. Sigh |
| #13 VeNoM~Sage[22725] |
| 113.oakland-06-07rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net |
| GGman's strategy was really the way to go. 3 Hatch ling is very risky, especially if your opponent throws up 2 sunkens and gets 2 hatch lings while teching to mutas. Zergs beat Sunekens, but Zerglings & Sunkens > Pure Zerglings so you have time to get the superior Muta force. |
| #14 Capt.Caveman[22726] |
| out-70-6.ops.org |
What a cool report, you turned a zergling game into awesome graphics and even though it ws rather boring you made it exciting somehow. Great job!
Capt.Caveman |
| #15 JSH[22728] |
| h006008d0a8f6.ne.mediaone.net |
Zerg vs Zerg is a funny little matchup. It's not about make more drones, because of the larva. With each new larva you have to make a choice between zergling or drone. And it's easy to say "oh just get 3-5 mutalisks" but that takes lots of TIME. Time for your opponent to build up way more zerglings than you, then run over your lesser number of zerglings, then beat down all your drones and spire while your 3-5 mutas peck away at all the little dogs.
And believe it or not, 10 drones can support 3 hatcheries of zerglings.
I liked the zergling clock of doom picture. =) |
| #16 SnowSquall[22734] |
| a1-1a052.neo.rr.com |
| I liked this.. it was a short brutal game, but a nice tight concise report of it. I don't think anyone would expect a ZvZ game on PG to last that long anyways. |
| #17 [CAT]willzzz[22737] |
| dns1.rhbnc.ac.uk |
Sitting on the fence is good if you can't get good scouting, which you can't early on.. although later both players had easy scouting.
Remember crexis or straus (one of them) 4pooling against a power order.. if his opponent had gone conservative, 9pool he would have won easily.. |
| #18 Strom[22757] |
| ext181.mosx.com |
Minor quibble with the zergling vs zergling analysis.
Zerglings heal in battle so I'd expect a 0/0 zergling to need 8 hits to kill another 0/0 zergling? Even if one side significantly outnumbers another (3vs1) I'd still expect it to need 8 hits.
For a 1/0 vs 0/0 it would normally take 7 hits but I think that if you outnumber the enemy 3/1 it may only take 6 because they have less time to heal. 3vs1 local superiority happens quite a lot in big zergling brawls.
Does it take 10 hits for a 0/0 zergling to kill a 0/1, unless it's outnumbered?
Nice report btw,
Strom.
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| #19 shockwave[22767] |
| exchange1.sensable.com |
Yes, ZvZ battles are awesome because they're always full of action and adrenaline rush :-).
Now let's do some math corrections...
Zergling: 35 hit points
Zergling base attack: 5
0/0 zergling versus 0/0 zergling takes 35/5 = 7 hits to kill (maybe 8 given regen)
1/0 zergling versus 0/0 zergling takes 35/(5+1) = 5.83 = 6 hits to kill (not "6.1" as reported in the BR)
0/0 zergling versus 0/1 zergling takes 35/(5-1) = 8.75 = 9 hits to kill (maybe even TEN if the ling regens 2 hps during this time)
Bottom line: Why does everyone go attack instead of carapace in ling wars? If you go attack, you kill in 1 less hit. If you go defense, you absorb 2 or even 3 more hits. Hmm. And carapace also helps you against sunkens, and also helps your hydras if you build them later (not that anyone ever builds hydras in ZvZ :-b ). I know carapace is a bit more expensive, is that the only reason?
Sorry about being so nerdy, I dunno how to get the point across :-b.
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| #20 Hooman[22770] |
| WQUEEN.MIT.EDU |
If you go carapace and they go attack, you've spent more money and the net effect is exactly
the same... |
#21  [22776] |
| fjwilson.reshall.ucsd.edu |
| Good point Hooman, but Shock, look at sunkens again. They do 20 damage to Zerglings, so unless you have level 3 carapace, the upgrade don't do much good. I do agree with you that if the other person doesn't upgrade, carapace would do better in ling-ling battles. 'Sides, sunkens suck vs lings anyway. |
| #22 Fractal_Wave[22777] |
| 24.65.24.97.bc.wave.home.com |
Shock, im posting an answer in your forum to the mathy question...I sweat i'll get the math right this time...
Sp|nE: oops, my bad =[
WilliamWC3: I love it when people who write better stuff than me praise my work...:) I stole the map pix from FLS's early stuff...
Fox^1: I was thinking GGman was going to muties....but in the time it takes to get to muta lisks, Byun would have had 0984650938465 zerglings. And, "3-5" muties would have been useless....assuming GGman could have survived the zergling onslaught, his 3-6 muties couldn't have killed Byun's base as fast as Byun could have killed his...
Or that's what I think..
All the best,
Fractal_Wave
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| #23 shockwave[22780] |
| exchange1.sensable.com |
| Cool, thanks for everyone's responses about the attack/carapace dilemma. I also realize that the difference in cost between 100/100 and 150/150 can be pretty significant. I forgot to say to FW, "Great report!" I enjoy reading all your stuff. |
| #24 ][_urker[22791] |
| spider-wo082.proxy.aol.com |
| Hey, zerg unit's life recharge slowly, so in the time that 2 zerglings kill eachother, they would each regenerate 1 life, making it 8 hits to kill them, but good report. |
| #25 ][_urker[22796] |
| spider-wo082.proxy.aol.com |
| Oops, someone already said that about the 8 hits, but, all u pplz, going hydra is very effective in Z v Z all u do is u get upgrades real early, the only reason i know this is cuz my hydra mass can beat gay koreans in 2on2 and ahscar owned my muta/ling ass with it. |
| #26 ][_urker[22797] |
| spider-wo082.proxy.aol.com |
Err...crap i cant type, i meant 1on1 vrs those gay koreans ^^ manner gosu DISSSSSSS DIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSS
HUKHUK^^ -The good bgh newbie pubbie killer formerly know as ][_urker |
| #27 ::nobody::[22802] |
| dt0f7na9.san.rr.com |
Hey frac, buddy! Nice report =) Great graphics too. Too bad it wasn't a better game, but it wasn't bad either =P As always, keep up the good work.
Ciao!
::nobody::
p.s. I was wondering if you're still doing the quotes thing...it'd be cool to see a new batch (esp. if I have one ;]) heh. |
| #28 [CAT]willzzz[22925] |
| pc75.cc.rhbnc.ac.uk |
armour is essential if you go hydra against muta/ling
or air armour in muta battles. |
#29  [23086] |
| relay.atinc.com |
Fractal_Wave Ownz My Bonez
All the best,
Fracta... YourRoleModel |
| #30 Dausuul[23173] |
| hill-d-153.resnet.purdue.edu |
| I generally go with carapace first when upgrading, because it improves both my hydras and my lings. Of course, that doesn't apply in a pure-ling battle. |
| #31 Fractal[141667] |
| h24-87-237-80.vc.shawcable.net |
All the best,
Fractal
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