| #1 T.T.Boy (ncache1.ford.com)[14083] |
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| First baby, on an ADQ3 report too, I can't wait to read it. |
| #2 T.T.Boy (ncache1.ford.com)[14086] |
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More quality reporting from ADQ3. I love to follow your ladder exploits. You are the epitome of honor when you don't name that low-life NoHunters liar and even give him his win just to spite his duplicity (as honorable as the noble Protoss you fight with).
On another subject isn't I_can't_win the name of the web-site for Agent911 or Zileas or somebody? I'll bet that is who you were playing. He sounded that good.
Another subject, ADQ3, what is with the wierd section headings? I didn't understand most, are they some reference to something else I am not aware of? |
| #3 Johnny_Vegas (staff-8.ahnet.net)[14087] |
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| You've saved me from killing my coworkers AQD3. Now to read the report. |
| #4 AQD3[14088] |
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| The section headings are a little out there today. They are from an old poem I like about cavalry troopers. With the heavy dragoon combat I thought it would be appropriate, but I guess you have to have been exposed to the poem before you really get it. Sorry =[ |
| #5 T.T.Boy (ncache1.ford.com)[14090] |
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| No apology necessary. I just wanted to know where you were coming from. I appreciate anything esoteric like this. Makes me think of the Charge of the Light Brigade. |
| #6 T.T.Boy (ncache1.ford.com)[14091] |
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| On another subject, why don't you try laddering as terran or zerg? That would make for some more interesting reports. Start a new nickname if you don't want to jeopardize your 1200 rating (although I am sure this is not a major concern for you) |
| #7 VRAM1974 (depth.martinet.com)[14093] |
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Maybe Ican'twin was a maphacker? Who knows... his strat worked on the belief you wouldn't rush. Even when you did he danced you until he could take control.
Did you consider reavers? |
| #8 Johnny_Vegas (control.ahnet.net)[14094] |
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Wow great report man. That ICW sounds damn good. That micro move at the ramp was brilliant. Along with reaver drop. The whole game came down to that initial battle. That just goes to show you how important it is to gain an advantage in the early game. That dude had some godly micro it sounds like.
I wish some terran player would write reports with as much regularity as you write yours about protoss games. |
| #9 AQD3[14095] |
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I like using protoss. At one time I was good was zerg, but the style of zerg is a little too restrictive for me. Playing terran is like playing a whole new game. I tend to lose and lose badly with zerg and terran now. I don't think I'd like reporting games with a race I'm bad at.
My current plan is to ladder with dbCAS until the k factor kicks in in another four games. Then go back to AQD3. I may try a few random race games for my first few ladder games though. Maybe I'll like it. |
| #10 AQD3[14096] |
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VRAM, I'm pretty sure he wasnt a map hacker. If he was he definitely wouldn't have gone tech vrs my rush strat. His recovery was due purely to greater skill, not to any advance knowledge. He also kicked in at least slightly better macro once he got rolling.
Johnny, maybe you could write terran reports? I read the classics you wrote and I'd like to read some more =] |
| #11 Johnny_Vegas (staff-8.ahnet.net)[14097] |
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I've thought about it. I really dont play as much SC as I used to, but I still love the game. Perhaps I'll try laddering again. Of course it will be more like "Johnny's Quest to stay at 1100", but I'm not too shabby.
I've been busy with the site a lot lately, but I'll see what I can do. It HAS been too long since my last report. |
| #12 Whoop (pool0491.cvx12-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net)[14099] |
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| Damn smurfers! |
| #13 Hooman (WQUEEN.MIT.EDU)[14101] |
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| www.icantwin.com is a games site (mostly SC and WarII) hosted by (among others) Agent911. |
#14  (relay.atinc.com)[14102] |
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Johnny has some new graphics to keep him busy! He's MINE, MINE!!! If you bug him again AQD3, I'll get Mark4 to come out of retirement and kick you around for keeping him from working on the site update!
HEHEHE
Johnny should report our Age of Kings game. He could title it... "A Myriad of Excuses (even better than YRM's)"
=) |
| #15 Mark4 (strangers.bragg.army.mil)[14103] |
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Well, I for one enjoyed AQD3 getting smoked =]
Damn YRM, Why not just put a collar on Johnny? j/k =p I think he needs to start writing again! AOK or SC! Nice report title though. |
| #16 Johnny_Vegas (control.ahnet.net)[14104] |
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Grrr.. First T_Mac dies then YRM. Vegas requires Vengeance!!!
Beware my Arclite fire of doom!! Or in the case of aok, beware my dull rusty sword!
Wait a second. I dont need vengeance on T_Mac, he never beats me! Hahaaha!
And YRM you got lucky and beat me in a FFA after I spent all game rushing the 3rd guy. Besides you were the imbalanced Teutons, and I forgot to send my 10 garrisoned villagers back to work. Die YRM DIE!! Muahahaa (With a crazed look Vegas drools on himself and starts dreaming of his future conquests) |
| #17 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[14106] |
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| ha! If I had the ability to write reports while playing (I forget something happens 1 second after I type "Thats gay") I'd make reports called "Ducky's quest to stay above 400 |
| #18 HardDrive99 (eag40481.corp.novatel.ca)[14108] |
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I Can't Win is the web site ran by Agent, but he admits that he doesn't play on bnet anymore. You can play him on kali...
Good micro used against you. I don't mind losing games like that. I always come out ahead as I learn new tricks and strats.
It's when you lose games to cheap offensive cannon pushes or even worse when bnet doesn't record your wins that you ask yourself what you're doing. 8^)
HD |
| #19 (5.np1.np.dialup.naut[14112] |
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"And YRM you got lucky and beat me in a FFA after I spent all game rushing the 3rd guy. Besides you were the imbalanced Teutons, and I forgot to send my 10 garrisoned villagers back to work."
See? Myriad.
What Johnny doesn't mention is that it was only my second game of Age of Kings online. I had some practice vs the computer, but I never owned Age of Empires... so no matter if this is the only time I ever beat Johnny Vegas at RTS, I'll never forget it. The other player left our game and JV and I were in the same age... it was a good matchup still except for the imbalance that archers and horse archers don't kill fully armored Paladins... |
| #20 Mark^EPC (NYCMB112-40.splitrock.net)[14116] |
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| Toss/Toss games are all about Goons and Reavers. The best build is to 1 Gate, Gas, Core, etc... Even if they rush with Zeals, it's VERY possible to kill larger numbers of zeals with a few goons. Once you fend off the first rush, you have a distinct advantage over the other player.<p>In one Toss/Toss game against Fennec-the-fox, I caught him teching to goons and went for a 3 Gate Zeal rush. I hit him with 6+ plus zeals which he fended off with 2 goons (plus the ones that popped out later). He then proceeded to own me considerably )=<p>BTW, Fennec is a Kali player who hangs with the likes of Kain-the-Feared, Montaro, and many other celebs. He's reported to consistently split games with them. Maybe one of these days I'll write a report on his SmackDown Tank push VS Toss. |
| #21 Johnny_Vegas (control.ahnet.net)[14117] |
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Grrr.. Your economy was owning me YRM, because I was fighting a castle age fight with my neighbor. The bastard had a tower right next to my stone mine I couldnt kill.
So after I take him out I am forced to deal with you who had been teching and macroing all game long!!
lets play 1v1 I'll be the tuetons and YOU can be the mongols see how that goes! |
| #22 Johnny_Vegas (control.ahnet.net)[14118] |
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| Nice to see new visitors Mark^EBC, welcome to the site! |
| #23 ko[B]old (proxy3.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com)[14120] |
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| Another killer toss report AQ. ICW is run by Agent911 aswell as Dudey (who I played on Bnet.. a 2v2 with nanogirl.. they both own). So could have been him? You had six zzz vs 2 goons and 1 z... maybe running them all to the probe line, selecting two at a time, then queing up probe kills would have worked? Killing his economy that early may have given you an advantage. Keep it up AQ.. |
| #24 Someone retarded with same IP as Persian (proxy1-external.rdc1.az.home.com)[14122] |
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| Okay, will everyone stop explaining what icantwin is, I think everyone knows. I think we can be sure this guy has nothing to do with the site and just is a random person with that name. Sorry |
| #25 ']['amaraw (203.172.21.187)[14123] |
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Learned a new technique from this game. Placement of goons below the ramp to get the first hit. This is one of the reasons why i read BRs.
Great reports AQD3, keep 'em coming. So i could learn more w/o getting beaten more :)
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| #26 shockwave (exchange1.sensable.com)[14127] |
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Wait, I think icantwin is a web site run by... oh nevermind :-). Heh. I think people sorta add their comments in without reading the previous ones, that explains a lot of the duplicate posts.
So I wonder, what would have happened if you had split up your zealots? Six zealots means 3 on each dragoon. If he focuses fire, he has to stop dancing. I'm curious about this whole issue because I would LIKE to figure out if there's any good way to rush in PvP games. Everyone says that micro owns zealots in early zealots v. dragoons, so I want to go against the tide and figure out a way. Tell me tell me. |
| #27 MikeyMonty (spider-ti062.proxy.aol.com)[14128] |
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| I find that when I can't beat dancing dragoons with my zealots, I either go straight for the peons or try to take out pylons, cyber cores, refineries, whatever to slow down the tech gap and troop production. I have never come out ahead by going after dragoons with my zealots, if they are well microed they always seem to win. Your best bet is to just hurt him, dragoons shoot slowly and zealots dish out damage quickly. |
| #28 soulsplitter' (spider-wj013.proxy.aol.com)[14129] |
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| Nice BR. It could of been agent 911, you never know, but i bet he xould of killed you quicker. You rule, and try to make it to 1300, i bet you could. |
| #29 [FLS]prozerran[14133] |
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| For some reason my goon rush didn't work either. Always got ran over by 4 zeals when I got only 1 zeal and 1 goon. =[ |
| #30 Johnny_Vegas (control.ahnet.net)[14134] |
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| Hmm maybe send one zealot to each goon, and then send the other 2-4 to the probe line to wreck havoc. But then I guess he could just focus fire the 2 goons on one zealot, but I think it would be close. Imagine if the dude had 2 goons and a shield battery, then the zealots would have no chance in hell. But we all know how portly zealots are, so I'm not surprised. I've had people dance goons when I am attacking marines. It's annoying as hell. Goon dancing is easier than marine dancing cause the goons live a long time, giving you time to run them away. I think the best bet would have been to send at least a few of them to the probe line. |
| #31 @@Walker (tc-sa2-29.ida.net)[14135] |
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| I doubt it was Agent, I think you all are trying to make too much out of a name. |
| #32 @@Walker (tc-sa2-29.ida.net)[14137] |
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| I doubt it was Agent, I think you all are trying to make too much out of a name. |
| #33 [5th]Krebster (spider-tm064.proxy.aol.com)[14147] |
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| Agent911 doesnt play on bnet anymore so im 99% sure it wasnt him probably just someone thats very modest |
| #34 NeonPeon (209.57.26.2)[14160] |
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ya know, makin this a multi game site kinda sux. Really sux when you dont play the other games... Ahh well. I sux anyway.
NeonPeon |
| #35 Morsk (smtp.crebit.ee)[14191] |
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| Heh.. the way to kill this kind of protoss player is to stop at 6-8 zealots and switch to dragoons and build pylon and shield battery at the guys ramp. then rush to reavers and push from shield battery on. it works most of the time. just make sure you keep up dragoon production. the second he stops dragoon production, you should do hit and run with your dragoons. he'll be getting reavers himself, but if you hit&run good, then you'll be able to kill his goons before he gets reavers. there is only two options for the other guy. either to mass dragoons and upgrade them and build zealots too OR stop or slow down dragoon production to get reavers. in first case you'r in advantage because of those shield batteries in his choke. in time he's ready to brake your blocade with pure force you have reavers or dt's. in second case you should keep producing dragoons of your own as much as possible and hit & run at his base. it DOES work, trust me :) a cannon next to shield battery can help too. in case he's not going for reaver but dt. but the guy who goes for dt's against protoss.. is a dead guy. i've won couple of games using shield battery for containment help. |
| #36 Mark4 <font color=red><i>(BR.COM Admin)</i></font>[14220] |
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| Even the very top players don't really have the game down to that mathematical degree. The person who is supposed to come closest to mathematical perfection is Maynard, and even he gets beaten by other top players regularly. Bottom line is that imbalance seems big when you start and don't know counter and strats. It goes away entirely once you are experienced with a race. And it come back in very small quantities at the top levels. |
| #37 (relay.atinc.com)[14263] |
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It's kind of like Chess. Theoretically, there should be a mathematical way that White can win every single game no matter what Black plays. This is why Deep Blue did so well with white vs Kasparov. There is a very slight imbalance in favor of white if you can see every possibility down the expotentially increasing move branches.
I'm not here crying Imbalance... after all, tanks beat carriers. I just think you would enjoy that post. It's a good read about a situation you were in.
All the Best,
Frac...er YourRoleModel |
| #38 (relay.atinc.com)[14275] |
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Right! Chess is imbalance "microscopically"... like if God was playing vs Himself, he'd win as white each game. But if, say, I play Mark4, I'm going to win everygame unless I make a really stupid mistake (that I never usually make) because I was rusty or I am stupid and let the time run out... theoretically of course.
Sorry, Mark4, my excuses aren't up to Vegas level... =[ |
| #39 Mark4 (strangers.bragg.army.mil)[14281] |
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| It's not my fault my pure gaming skill overpowers even your best strategies in a game you claimed to be better at =] |
| #40 Silent Strike (230.freehold-08-09rs.nj.dial-access.att.net)[14304] |
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| Hmm.. Us mortals have yet to prove that there is a way for white to consistantly beat black yet.. so as of now we can't do not really know if god with white beats god with black or just stalemates. |
| #41 Johnny_Vegas <font color=red><i>(BR.COM Admin)</i></font>[14334] |
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| Excuses? I don't make excuses! If I ever did it's only because of imbalance, and I had my head slammed in a car door as a child. |
| #42 102485[48881] |
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#1 Build at least two or three cannons at your entrance
#2 Move the mouse fast, that's probably how he built dragoons faster than you could.
#3 You may have expanded to late or too early. I'd think too late though, because you mentioned it being naked when he attacked.
Don't listen to me though because I suck, and can't keep mind mind on a game for more than 10 minutes without going to play the N64 or something! |
| #43 Forceguy[80324] |
| p3EE3C645.dip.t-dialin.net |
Yea, right, cannons...yea, cannons own evrything...NOT!
Heck, is noone looking at the comments here any longer??
3 Cannons mean 450 minerals stuck at your ramp doing no damage to the enemy workline or buildings. Building 3 of them will mean you totally loose the possibility of a early attack or fast tech because you spend another 150 minerals on a forge so its 600 mins stuck in static defense. Also allow for 1 or 2 early Zeals to hold the ramp while the cannons warp and you have 800 minerals spendt on your ramp. Even if the neemy spendt all that on 8 Zealots he could killthose zeals you have, run past the cannons into your workline and cost you the game.
Or he could spend it on a core and gas, fast tech to reavers and get away with 1 or maybe 2 reavers in your workline. He will know he can get away with it because when he scouts you you will most likely have started the forge. hes bound to stay around with his probe and see how many cannons you build...
Also I dont think anyone who can legitly get over 1100 in Ladder mooves his mouse slowly.
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| Last. |
| #45 Convider[163621] |
| 74.12.120.187 |
| wak's a hacker. |
| #46 Raider[164863] |
| connect20.salliemae.com |
| As are u |
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