| #1 shockwave (andrewwang.ne.mediaone.net)[11078] |
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| Bleah, idiot me, can you change "author" to Shockwave instead of my real name? Thanks :-b. |
| #2 shockwave (andrewwang.ne.mediaone.net)[11079] |
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Also, the text in my table defaults to white, it's supposed to say:
<table border=1><td>
<P>
<B>Map:</B> Lost Temple<UL>
<font color="FF00FF">Shockwave</font>[xpow] (chosen Protoss, 12 o'clock)<br>
<hspace=10>versus<br>
<Font Color="FF000">Win-A-Tron2000</Font> (random Terran, 6 o'clock)
<P>
</td></table>
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| #3 Persian-POW (proxy2-external.rdc1.az.home.com)[11080] |
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My favorite Protoss <font color="yellow" size="8">CHEESE</font> vs terran is to offensive assim and then open with gate/forge so your not completely screwed if your not successful. Then send your first zealots and a probe down there and cannon his gas. Your zealots should be enough to defend the cannons while they're warping in. After that it should be game over. Just keep sending your zealots down to his base up another gate or two, expand if you want, and kill him with your method of choice.
Note: I haven't tried this for awhile. It's been about a month as I know that any decent player should be able to stop it with ease. |
#4  (172.np4.np.dialup.na[11081] |
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Hey Shockwave... what's the address to your forum again? I don't have it a home, just at work...
That second game, are you sure it wasn't DinoDin? a regular nohunters player who isn't smurfing to my knowledge and had beaten me in 2 very close games before I retired.
It remains to be seen if enough banners are clicked by the end of the week to prompt me to come out to write part two of the WW3 FFA... sigh... |
| #5 (172.np4.np.dialup.na[11082] |
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| BTW, I fixed yer name... and... entertaining report! I enjoyed it muchly! |
| #6 Persian-POW (proxy2-external.rdc1.az.home.com)[11085] |
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| Oops, sorry YRM. I almost forgot to click the banner. |
| #7 shockwave (andrewwang.ne.mediaone.net)[11086] |
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| Hey YRM, nope it wasn't DinoDin and I'm sure it wasn't him smurfing with a similar name because his demeanor was different. Thanks for fixing up the report! |
| #8 JSH (nscs40p11.remote.umass.edu)[11091] |
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| Hey Shock, I notice that you're using Mediaone. Odd that you've had ISP troubles such that you can't play 2v2's and up, because I had a cable modem from Mediaone during the summer of '98 and I never had any problems playing any kind of SC game. There may have been lag, but it was never me. :) |
| #9 shockwave (andrewwang.ne.mediaone.net)[11094] |
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JSH: There are some problems with how the packets are being routed here. I'm trying to fix this :-). The cable modem service here should definitely be able to support 2on2's with no problem if I get it working correctly. This *is* an MIT-affiliated apartment complex after all ;-).
Persian-POW: Yep, offensive assimilator + cannons + zealots is even more cheesy, I'll give you that :-). Hmm, that'll be in the next battle report maybe, if I can pull it off :-). |
| #10 Ash (adsl-216-103-251-20.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)[11099] |
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Dammit YRM, I've been clicking the banners every day like a good little boy, and now you're telling me that it might all have been in vain? While you're at it, why don't you just tell me that there is no Santa Claus? No, don't tell me that, cause then you'd be lying. Because there is a Santa Claus.
Right Santa?
Santa?
And Shockwave/Persian-POW, protoss are naturally cheesy enough without offensive assimilator/cannons. |
| #11 Mark4 (strangers.bragg.army.mil)[11136] |
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| I'm highly dissapointed. When I heard Shock had three gas sources I was hoping against hope that someone else does mass archons vrs terran. Ah, cruel fate. Yet another reason to stay in retirement. =[ |
| #12 Thundercracker (169.milwaukee-01-02rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net)[11156] |
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| Archons...are those the cute blue balls of rolly polly joy that I seem rummaging through my base from time to time? they are so darned cute with all of that furious psy energy billowing about them vs terran they work wonders. one emp blast and a tank and they go to that big ole citadel in the sky...((mumbles)) I hate toss.. and i wanna know how those buggers eat with no mouth?. |
| #13 shockwave (exchange1.sensable.com)[11170] |
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| Haha, archons, I was actually thinking about that this morning, Mark4. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that archons take a bit longer to "build" than dark templar. If he falls for the trap of teching to tanks in his one-base, then I've pretty much completely outresourced him by the time his push comes and can kill him with whatever I want :-). I just figure that dark templar are the fastest building, most efficient marine killers :-), so I stick with those. It's nice that both archons and dark templar provoke the same response, though: sci vessels. And if he stays in his base until he can tech to SVs, then that's even better for me :-). |
| #14 Fractal_Wave (proxy1.gvcl1.bc.wave.home.com)[11215] |
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I was shocked (pardon the pun) when I read this. In the big book of ridiculous tactics, this one is pretty high up there.
me likey
)
All the best,
Fractal_Wave
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| #15 Mr. Merf (dial-up218.twistedpair.net)[11230] |
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Wow, cheese from a professional. Shock, did you ever work at one of those "Cheese 'N' Video" stores in Wisconsin?;-) In case you doubt, I tell you with near absolute certainty that they exist (ie: I saw one and pinched myself.).
BTW, nice report even if it IS thoroughly evil.=] |
| #16 Thundercracker (82.milwaukee-03-04rs16rt.wi.dial-access.att.net)[11258] |
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| SCUSE ME MERF? as a happy Wisconsinite I can catogorically deny any existance of such a thing. unlike the 7-11, 2 nail salon, Block combo liquor store in CA. I am not kidding when I say every block has these stores. and they think we are the weird ones down there. |
| #17 Mark^EPC (NYCMB104-43.splitrock.net)[11277] |
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| Hey Shock!<p>I tried this strat today... 2 things went wrong however.<p>1) I had never tried it before<br>2)It was against a 1300+ player!<p>I randomed and got toss; he randomed and got terran (convenient huh?) Well, I off-assimilatored him and while he was killing it, I built a pylon at the top of his ramp and outside his choke (prolly the wrong spots, right?). He killed the pylon at his ramp, but by the time he finished it off, I had 3-4 cannons at his choke so he was contained for now.<br>I then proceeded to double expand to my natural and to the 9:00 natural (prolly should have gone for the main, right?) I also put a cyber core at my natural choke and a pylon and 2 gates at an obscure spot in my base. I began researching air attack and morphing in my first pair of DT's when he firebat dropped my main's probe line! I managed to fight it off with DT's, but by that time, he had turbo-newbied my natural. So that was 2 bases gone! I had about 1500/1500 so I started the Stargates and Fleet Beacon while expanding to the top position. I tried to harass him with DT's but he had SV's already! I tried to rebuild my Nexus in my main, but right when it finished, he charged what was left of my natural with M/M/SV's. He also patrolled the whole map with his dropships and found my 12:00 and 9:00 exps. He took the 12:00 out with tanks and my 9:00 with the M/M. I did manage to fight off the attack on my 9:00 with the 3 Carriers that I had, but since all my other bases were gone, I was low on money.<br>I attacked with my 3 carriers, but he locked 2 down and killed them with wraiths. I ran the last one away.<br>To make a short story even shorter, he wiped me out easily with nukes and wraiths.<p>I've been pondering what I did wrong:<p>1) I didn't place my cannons in a place that would prevent his expanding.<br>2) My crucial 2nd exp wasn't in a main spot<3) I was kinda slow in making DT's and didn't put cannons in my Main.<p>He was a really nice guy and politely said that the strat sucked =) He says that a Protoss should just stick with Reaver dropping a Terran, lol. I found out that he pretty much matched me in expansions by taking his natural and one of the islands.<p>Ok, any info would be appreciated (if you even read this). |
| #18 fractal_kakaru a.k.a. patheto (proxy.tct.net)[11435] |
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Jolly nice cheese strat. you're really just trying to make him die of his foolishness. in my newbie times (yes, i promoted myself to intermediate) I fell for something like that, uh, say, 12 times?
But now, as a protoss player my idea of an antidote is recalling tons of goons into his main, so the carriers would try to destroy me in the face of like 30 goons. Nah. |
| #19 -MrCow- (tsmia2-136.gate.net)[11605] |
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| what's the banner for? |
| #20 (exchange1.sensable.com)[11696] |
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| Hey fractal: I really don't understand your comments to my BR's, can you also respond to my question to you in my above BR if you read either of these? Anyway, don't try this against Toss, dragoons come early in the tech tree and they rip apart cannons after you have enough of them. Why do you think this will only catch a "foolish" player? I've done this 5 times already against people of varying experience levels, and I'm 5-0. Perhaps you could tell me exactly what you would do to counter this unless you *knew* it was coming? PvT contain/expand is a pretty widely used strat, this is just one implementation. |
| #21 Dino Din (port-58-10.access.one.net)[11697] |
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| what the frick?!?! I finally learn from this in a PUBLIC game, of all places! some lizard guys says i'm smurfing? man too weird |
| #22 shockwave (exchange1.sensable.com)[11704] |
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| Heh, like I said, it wasn't you, it was just coincidence that it was very close sounding to your name. It had an "H" in it, something like "DinoHinel" or "HinoDinel", I really had no recollection :-b. Next time I will take screenshots to aid my poor failing memory :-b. |
| #23 Dino Din (port-32-22.access.one.net)[11730] |
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| not upset, funny that i found out about from the off chance that someone pops into the PUBLIC game im in, before i ever here about this from NH. irony |
| #24 <font face="Arial" size=3 color="#FFFFFF"><b><font size=+2>S</font>H<img "ht[12600] |
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| Worthless comment, just testing out my sig here since nobody will probably read this :-). |
| #25 PeaceableGhost[165074] |
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Well, I ended up reading this. Also, this is absolutely no use for... really, anything. But I noticed a similar "cheese" strat being widely used in the SSL games this year in PvT.
I haven't watched any of the games for a while, but the build went something like assimilator, pylon, gate, pylon, forge, core, so it looks about like a normal PvT build...
There were a couple variants after that. One was gate simultaneously with a pylon in an unused main, pump token zeal or goon for mini-contain/anti-vulture while putting templar tech by the hidden pylon, then take down/delay the Terran's natural expansion.
The other was expand to the natural with cannons for anti-vult and token goons off one gate until the expand was online, with hidden tech - same idea, delay the expand.
One game was odd - the toss warped his buildings basically in sight range of the Terran. I think it was a "take down either my tech or my expansion" gimmick, as the buildings were canceled when the vults showed up.
In seven or eight games it was tried it only worked once - with most Terran getting vultures + mines ASAP on most maps, the token goon/zeal couldn't hold and cannons, as we know, are stationary. The Terran expansion was usually delayed about a minute and a half while the ebay finished and the Terran got turrets up.
This is all from memory of reps I haven't watched for about three months, so if I messed details up, don't shoot me. |
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